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  • Had heart attack on Sunday 22nd

    in the early hours - taken to coronary care unit in Frimley Park Hospital, apparently I had a blocked RH coronary artery (?)as well as "severe arterial plaque" and narrowing of the artery.

    A catheter was inserted into my right wrist, clot sorted out (how do they do that?) and a stent fitted. I am now back home with loads of tablets, etc etc (including a statin which I don't want and will stop once I've had my various follow up consultancies, cardiac rehab etc etc). And of course, dietary advice recommends "vegetable oils", avoid sat fats, eat heart healthy grains, avoid red meat - all the stuff I don't believe in.

    I've been 'paleo" / "primal" for quite a lot of years now - initially VLC, then added white potatoes, occasional white rice and occasional (well soaked) legumes. I eat fish, organic grass fed beef, lamb and free range chicken, loads of organic veg, organic fruit, butter from grass fed cows, organic beef fat from grass fed cattle, olive oil, lots of herbs, spices, turmeric, organic cocoa powder and chocolate, loads of eggs, some cheese from grass fed cattle - all sat fat but not to excess.

    After the stent fitting etc, while in hospital, I was told that my total cholesterol level was 5.4 (UK, so no information on LDL /HDL levels) which I thought was OK? . I am utterly confused as to why this should happen? Any ideas where I have gone wrong?

    I am 63 years old, male, slim (150 lbs) 6 feet tall and, apart from sever asthma, I had always thought of myself as pretty fit. Of course, friends are already mentioning my sat fat diet! I don't intend to change this - but should I be unlucky enough to ever have another heart attack and not survive - I will have been a standing example to the "sceptics" that Ancel Keys et al were correct all along!!!

    And I must say, it is my first experience of an NHS hospital as a consumer and I simply cannot praise it enough. They even provided me with a gluten free diet an it was all very edible.
    Last edited by breadsauce; 12-24-2015, 10:14 AM.

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    I am sorry to hear about your heart attack, I hope you feel better soon. It's scary to hear about a fellow primal member suffer from health conditions. I really started this lifestyle to prevent disease and the daily stresses created by the modern man. Do you mind if I ask you if heart disease runs in your family? A genetic predisposition to any sort do disease can trump a healthy lifestyle unfortunately. Maybe adding some fermented cod liver oil, tumeric tablets, and bone broth can help you in tackling that inflammation. Afterall, heart disease is an inflammatory process. I wish you the best of luck.

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    • #3
      Everybody dies of something - nobody dies of good health. But as Michigan points out - bad genes can trump good living habits. Also, damage that occurred in the early years can wreak havoc years later. Heart disease runs in my family. For years we ate a mostly paleo (before the word was invented) lifestyle with a lot of home raised foods. Our veggies were mostly organic (never used herbicides or pesticides ), natural fertilizers, etc. Our meat was not organic, but a lot was fed good stuff, including unsprayed pastures. Then life happened, and obesity. When we went lowcarb 15 years ago, our health started returning. So my first heart attack, 8 years after a stroke, was unexpected. My heart is determined to kill me. I've had at least 4 attacks, the last one keeping me in hospital 6 days. I finally am on b/p and cardiac meds. Refused statins, which also tried to kill me earlier. I am also puzzled and feel betrayed by my "healthy" lifestyle. But... maybe it's one of those things we hope we can change, and have to accept what we cannot.

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      • #4
        about 1/2 of all heart attacks occur in people with "normal" cholesterol numbers. that is only part of the puzzle.

        good luck on the mend.
        As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

        – Ernest Hemingway

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        • #5
          Sunday was the 20th, not the 22nd.

          Regardless, I hope you heal well. Please report back as to how your doctor's view your high sat fat diet!

          Those darned socialistic hospitals! Doing a great job and all...............

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          • #6
            Originally posted by OnTheBayou View Post
            Sunday was the 20th, not the 22nd.

            Regardless, I hope you heal well. Please report back as to how your doctor's view your high sat fat diet!

            Those darned socialistic hospitals! Doing a great job and all...............
            Absolutely right - 20th. It must have affected my ability to count as well!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Michigan View Post
              I am sorry to hear about your heart attack, I hope you feel better soon. It's scary to hear about a fellow primal member suffer from health conditions. I really started this lifestyle to prevent disease and the daily stresses created by the modern man. Do you mind if I ask you if heart disease runs in your family? A genetic predisposition to any sort do disease can trump a healthy lifestyle unfortunately. Maybe adding some fermented cod liver oil, tumeric tablets, and bone broth can help you in tackling that inflammation. Afterall, heart disease is an inflammatory process. I wish you the best of luck.
              Yes, my mother had a heart attack in her 40's, my father didn't have one until he was almost 92, so I imagine that could be disregarded. So yes, a genetic predisposition. My mother's mother also had angina and serious heart problems but I was only a young child when she died so I don't know if she'd ever had an actual heat attack - but no doubt increased my mother's chances of having a heart attack.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                about 1/2 of all heart attacks occur in people with "normal" cholesterol numbers. that is only part of the puzzle.

                good luck on the mend.

                Another nail in coffin against the heart attacks being caused by high cholesterol, then?!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
                  Absolutely right - 20th. It must have affected my ability to count as well!
                  Very sorry to hear of your heart attack but I'm especially glad you're here to tell us about it. I'm reluctant to comment on such a profound medical condition, so my suggestion is simply to explore, further, what I'm saying if you're not already familiar with the subject.

                  Arterial calcification can be a factor to consider and has little, if anything, to do with sat fat and high cholesterol. Calcium, which should be deposited in bone, is often deposited in arteries. Vitamin K2 plays a role, as the traffic cop, to direct calcium to bone as intended, or if K2 is deficient, then calcium may be directed to arteries, too, where it is deposited on artery walls. K2 is naturally available from a healthy gut biome, but also in supplemental form. If, by chance you haven't focused on your gut biome and K2 benefits in the past, it's just something to consider. Good luck. Peace.
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                  • #10
                    Sorry to hear of your situation.

                    I agree about K2 as one supplement you should look into. Another one is the ubiquinol form of CoQ10.

                    More importantly, I think you should find a health care professional who shares some of your views. It's great to do your own research and to poll a forum like this, but for serious medical problems, there is no substitute for a professional who is going to know all your test results and medical history.
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                    • #11
                      I've been where you are. I describe the first couple of years of my recovery here (3 long posts in thread):
                      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread96437.html

                      I never finished the whole story but maybe you will find that part useful.

                      I agree with the recommendations to start taking K2 and ubiquinol right away, and I'd add Niacin to it (the real kind that flushes you, about 500mg/day), and magnesium (I recommend the glycinate form). Your cardiologist shouldn't object to any of those.

                      But the big thing I haven't seen mentioned yet (sorry if I missed it) is that in addition to your paleo diet, you must get on an aggressive exercise regimen that includes both resistance training and cardio training, and stay on it the rest of your life. And it goes without saying, but if you smoke, stop now.

                      On your cholesterol, work on getting your HDL up to over 60, it's imperative that you find out the current level. And keep trigs down just by not eating refined sugar and flour. Get that ratio under 2:1 (trig:HDL) and approaching 1:1.

                      It would be a good idea to invest in a blood glucose meter too, the finger stick kind, so you can monitor your fasting BG. If you are eating right, you should be well under 100. If you are over 100 when you wake up in the morning, you need to change your diet. Shoot for 90.
                      Last edited by NewOldGuy; 12-27-2015, 08:42 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Wow! so scary for you. Good you are on the mend, but yes, doing everything right and then this.... horrible. I am sure something they find in the future will end up being the major cause and not fat as they thought. Clearly genes being a big one.

                        Glad your NHS were good. My Dad was in hospital there for quite a while earlier in the year. He was 94 and gone now, but over the years I saw how he was treated in there and had nothing bad to say at all.
                        Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
                        Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
                        Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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                        • #13
                          Let me get this straight...because someone working at a "socialist hospital" can preform the transradial procedure has you singing the praises of socialism? Campeau invented the transradial procedure and later for therapeutic procedures by Kiemeneij and Learman. I assure you making a profit was their main incentive. You and millions of other statist are welcome.

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                          • #14
                            Mailibu, this is not a political discussion. Injecting your politics into every topic you read is not welcome.
                            I moved to primalforums.com to escape the spam.

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                            • #15
                              If you experienced a heart attack on Primal, then perhaps Primal is not the best diet for you. I think atherosclerosis and heart disease are generally symptoms of low thyroid hormones. Primal is probably not the best diet for raising thyroid hormones.
                              My opinions and some justification

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