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    started a topic "Long-term" effects of Primal Diet

    "Long-term" effects of Primal Diet

    I've been mostly eating primal for about a year now and it's gone very well. But some questions are still lingering in my mind and I'm really starting to question if I should continue to eat this way.

    Our ancestors evolved eating a particular way and what they ate is likely closer to what is best for our bodies. However, our ancestors only lived to perhaps 30 years old or so. Since we are living far past this age, how do we know that primal eating is optimal for us past the age of 30?

    It's possible that certain types of foods don't take a toll on us until later in life and that our ancestors never reached an age where they would come across these issues.

    In the end, is there any evidence that eating primal is optimal into our older years?

  • Catharsis
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    Not to turn religious here because that's probably a stupid place to take this forum, but as an interesting point of view, and from a biblical standpoint, I can see how paleo makes sense. Adam and Eve didn't mill grains in the Garden of Eden. They ate animals and vegetables. After getting the boot, you can read in Genesis 3:19, "You will have to work hard and sweat to make the soil produce anything, until you go back to the soil from which you were formed. You were made from soil, and you will become soil again." In other words, the advent of agriculture is arguably viewed as a curse, for whatever fill in the blank reasons you might want to apply.

    There are other verses that make paleoish statements:
    Nehamiah 8:10, "Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet drink, and send portions to him for whom nothing is prepared...."
    Proverbs 25:16, "Have you found honey [sugar]? Eat only as much as is sufficient for you, lest, being filled with it, you vomit it."

    Take a read at Ezekiel Chapter 4 sometime. It's quite interesting. To give cliff notes, you have a bunch of people that are cursed, and as a punishment are forced to make bread in order to survive for 390 days. They were to weigh their food, measure their water and consume it at the same times every day on a schedule (sound familiar?). They were also required to bake their bread with dung....arguably the same adjective used to describe the crap (rimshot) in processed breads.

    Of course, unleavened bread was different from what we see on shelves today.

    Despite all that, I wouldn't look to a diet book for religion so the inverse probably applies too!

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  • Terry H
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    I hope you'll continue. Best wishes.

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  • adr617
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    Eh. I know that none of us are ever going to agree on EVERYTHING. It seems like we can agree that the principles of the diet are good & that's what matters most here. I didn't mean to start anything with my previous statement... just speaking my experience

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  • Terry H
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    No worries. I read all of your posts and consider them very much worthwhile.

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  • NWPrimate
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    Hi TerryH,

    I wasn't trying to be a jerk. It was more for the comedy than anything else.
    You may have seen my postings another thread that mention how the majority of my extended family (parents, grandparents etc..) don't believe in evolution for religious reasons so I can relate on some level.

    They are smart and rational people, so please don't take it as though I'm calling you an idiot.
    In my opinion they are just making a choice not to take a close look at certain information because it confronts their belief structures, which can be a very hard and painful thing to do.

    Because I'm human, I'm sure that there are things that I believe that are flat out wrong, but trying to find those in yourself is a very difficult thing to do.

    Again, I didn't mean to be disrespectful. It was just some comedy for those that found it funny, and considering that this kind of an evolutionary based community (hence your default avatar), it seemed appropriate. My apologies if anyone found it offensive.
    Last edited by NWPrimate; 04-08-2012, 10:28 AM. Reason: accidentally wrote "today" instead of "to do"

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  • Terry H
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    Originally posted by NWPrimate View Post
    Actually I was quoting and responding to a prev. post in this thread and qualified MY statement with the words "to a certain degree...." You made a perfectly sound statement earlier in this thread that I still support BTW.
    Last edited by Terry H; 04-08-2012, 10:11 AM. Reason: sp

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  • zsadie
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    I believe in the Primal way of eating. I love the food, I love the way it makes me feel. I've read many a success story of people in their 60s trying the PB and have had positively amazing results. If it was bad for us in our old age, it just seems logical that they wouldn't have the same successes.

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  • cori93437
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    Originally posted by NWPrimate View Post
    NWP... It's a religious issue.

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  • NWPrimate
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    Originally posted by Terry H View Post
    I'm not entirely sure the paleothic period actually existed...




    Last edited by NWPrimate; 04-08-2012, 08:26 AM.

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  • Terry H
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    "...I'm not entirely sure the paleothic period actually existed, so I'm not really sure who ate what-when. However, I do know that I feel like junk when I eat processed crap. But I feel awesome when I'm eating lots of veggies, meat, some nuts, some fruit, and good fat. I'll continue to eat primally until my body tells me something different."

    Thanks for your post and glad it is working well for you. To a certain degree I'm of a like mind.
    Last edited by Terry H; 04-08-2012, 10:10 AM. Reason: add quotations

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  • Dirlot
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    ^^perhaps for the first 2-4 weeks as your body gets off the cravings but as most people find once you eat real food for a while you realize the tasteless process if "food" is just crap.
    You also need to keep in mind this is not a diet in the traditional sense it is about eating real food and avoiding poisons. If you have to cheat, if you are out with friends etc go for it - but to plan regular cheats is a recipe for failure.
    Last edited by Dirlot; 04-07-2012, 07:52 PM.

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  • jimhensen
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    Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
    ^^I never understood "planned" cheats. I can understand going out with friends and eating a less than idea meal, being polite at a birthday party and eating some home make cake but to "plan" to eat crap does not make sense to me.
    It can keep a person sane and actually avoid bingeing. If you feel like bingeing there is always the light at the end of the tunnel. Also, a lot of times when someone binges, the diet is ruined, and they start eating shit again and give up. When it is part of your diet to "cheat" then you aren't messing up. There can be quite a psychological benefit.

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  • Dirlot
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    ^^I never understood "planned" cheats. I can understand going out with friends and eating a less than idea meal, being polite at a birthday party and eating some home make cake but to "plan" to eat crap does not make sense to me.

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  • lssanjose
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    Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
    For lssanjose:

    Low carb diets:
    Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets
    I lack the will to investigate further, I'm afraid, as I'm not convinced of any long-term health benefits, and doubt there are any conclusive studies out there yet.

    Insulin sensitivity and exercise:
    Exercise and insulin sensitivity: a review. [Int J Sports Med. 2000] - PubMed - NCBI
    Influence of exercise on insulin sensitivity. [J Cardiovasc Risk. 1995] - PubMed - NCBI
    Exercise-induced increase in muscle insulin sensitivity

    The wikipedia article on insulin resistance is pretty good (though I disagree that saturated fat is a contributing factor when everything else is good).
    Insulin resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I'll look into these. Thanks for providing them. I'll probably think about renewing my alumnus membership, just for academic research, and resources.

    Responding to Paleo not equaling low carb, i can go with this, in terms of dictate. Inevitability will work things to where it may end up that way, for some. I think; and forgive me if I'm wrong, intermittent fasting helps space the "numbers" out, for those who are stickler for such items of interest.

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