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  • #46
    Originally posted by FlyingPig View Post
    I don't support the monarchy, by the way, and think it is a relict from feudalism
    so how are democracy and republics not relics?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by PrimalMama View Post
      6. let's not forget that we've already banned transfats in NYC (I thought that was going too far and hitting too close to home, since some people were talking about banning SATURATED fats) and required calorie counts on menus... and none of that's really helped. I'd rather have my freedom of choice.
      the irony of the trans-fat ban is that pastry chefs had to change their recipes because cream and butter contain small amounts of naturally occurring trans-fats (conjugated linoleic acid; CLA which is widely known to be beneficial)
      my primal journal:
      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Rojo View Post
        Yes but I must have missed the stop-and-frisk thread in Odds and Ends. The point being that the little government types only get up in arms about stupid stuff that effects some corporate profits.

        Now why is that? Mmmmmmmm.
        if I posted on this forum as often as I posted on others, I would have been in that thread.

        I could care less about corporate profits, the concept of corporations is ridiculous. It's an imaginary entity, no different from government, and only exists where government exists. I would love to see both done away with.

        If you want to run a business, run a business. Focus on running the business, not the paper work. That doesn't help anybody.

        Since you piqued my curiosity, were you in favor or against the stop and frisk policy? We haven't talked much but I'm sure you can guess my stance on it.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by DamienMaddox View Post
          Since you piqued my curiosity, were you in favor or against the stop and frisk policy? We haven't talked much but I'm sure you can guess my stance on it.
          Of course I'm against it. That's a REAL government trespass. Super Big Gulps? Not so much. We regulate drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, etc....

          In our current Patriot Act/drone/SuperMaxPrison environment I find tin-hatted Bravehearts yelling about the right to poison themselves with Mountain Dew more than a little silly.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Rojo View Post
            Of course I'm against it. That's a REAL government trespass.
            Good. We agree on that.

            Originally posted by Rojo View Post
            Super Big Gulps? Not so much. We regulate drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, etc....

            In our current Patriot Act/drone/SuperMaxPrison environment I find tin-hatted Bravehearts yelling about the right to poison themselves with Mountain Dew more than a little silly.
            Lets add a little perspective on this. The people who whine the loudest about this, are the same people who probably already thought that police were allowed to stop and frisk you. The same people who think "I have nothing to hide, so I have nothing to worry about!".

            Whether it is silly or not, something like this is actually waking up some of those people who would otherwise believe the police have every right to search your pockets, your car, perhaps even your house. They grew up thinking those are only issues that criminals have to worry about.

            Then this happens, and it gets them thinking and looking into whether or not banning soda's is even constitutional (IMO the constitution is a joke, but I digress) and this at least gets them riled enough to actually look at what "rights" that piece of paper supposedly protects for them.

            It's a small step, but for some of those people, it will lead them on a deeper path to understanding what freedom really is.

            Instead of complaining that people are making a fuss over this when we have bigger fish to fry, chime in and say "yeah, and you know what else? This time last year police weren't even allowed to stop and frisk you, and police are allowed to legally lie to you, and you don't actually have to let a police officer search your car or house, you can tell them you don't consent to it".

            Minds are open and receptive that haven't been. Instead of fighting it we need to show these people reality while their eyes are open, because many will close their eyes again shortly, unless they realize there is more to see.
            Last edited by DamienMaddox; 09-14-2012, 03:36 PM.

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            • #51
              Exactly. While some things may be petty to the initiated, don't miss this opportunity to teach people things beyond their right to drink whatever and however much they want. This isn't about soda. It might be to some people who are just awakening to tyranny, but this debate doesn't begin or end with Big Gulps. If you overwhelm people that are concerned about things like soda, the chances of them tuning it out are much greater. I encourage all efforts to shed light on tyranny, even if it's something as simple as a carbonated beverage. Liberties are rarely lost all at once; they're slowly chipped away, one ounce of soda at a time.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by DamienMaddox View Post
                Instead of complaining that people are making a fuss over this when we have bigger fish to fry, chime in and say "yeah, and you know what else? This time last year police weren't even allowed to stop and frisk you, and police are allowed to legally lie to you, and you don't actually have to let a police officer search your car or house, you can tell them you don't consent to it".
                Only to be told it's the wrong forum for that.

                I'm sorry I'm not buying the slippery slopes and teachable moments. It's soda pop. I don't have a problem with regulating it, just as I'd have no problem if they outlawed corn syrup. I'm going to stick the real abuses.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                  I'm sorry I'm not buying the slippery slopes and teachable moments.
                  We're not talking about converting the masses in droves, I'm talking about reaching at least one person. If you accomplish that, its worth it.

                  You should value your freedom more than you do though. It may just be soda pop, but we're all adults now. We don't need someone telling us what we should and shouldn't eat.

                  You're going to have a hard time finding someone who's actually unaware that their unhealthy habits are unhealthy.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by MissJecka View Post
                    taking our liberty in any form is not a step in the right direction. he might outlaw bacon next

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                    • #55
                      I'm sure this is really going to help health issues, when people will just buy two smaller units of soda, instead of large one. Thank God the government is here to tell us what we can put in our mouths!
                      http://lifemutt.blogspot.sg/ - Gaming, Food Reviews and Life in Singapore

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by j3nn View Post
                        Yeah. I hear a lot of you Europeans fall hook, line, and sinker for the whole "government takes perfect care of us" bit. It's likely all you've ever known since birth. You were born into benevolent slavery and you do not even realize it. This welfare state that you speak of is not free. Well, in a sense it is. When all of our money is created out of thin air, sure, free shit for everyone, until the day of reckoning comes and the world realizes that this Monopoly money isn't backed by a single cent of value. Anyway, I digress.

                        How it's paid for or not paid for aside, have some dignity, dude. I would rather have absolute freedom to fail or thrive and not receive a drop from the State (that has no actual money of its own; it TAKES from others at gunpoint to redistribute wealth to the chosen few, mainly corporations). You have been lied to. We do not have free markets in the US. There's no such thing, never has been. We have a hybrid system of socialism and fascism. If free markets truly existed, we would not have these bubbles. I don't know where you get your sources of information, but I suggest getting new ones because it sounds like you have been misinformed.

                        And while the State throws a few scraps back to the people it takes from, just remember:



                        Yes. God save the system! It's so righteous.
                        Despite Europe having its share of problems, our style of government has allowed for some of the lowest rates of obesity, poverty, reoffending and crime, and the highest rates of literacy, intelligence, height and happiness in the developed world. I don't like big government, but it worked. Meanwhile 'murica is a country defined by the stark contrast between super rich and super poor and a healthcare system that costs billions, yet is totally inferior to systems like Frances. You have the highest prison population in terms of absolute and relative terms. So what exactly are you bashing again?
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                        • #57
                          Good intentions(reducing consumption of sugary beverages), but the wrong way to approach it.

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                          • #58
                            Yeah right, great news! NOT!

                            You want the people behind the food pyramid using the force of law to control the types of food you can buy? Get ready to kiss your bacon and coconut oil goodbye.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by AMonkey View Post
                              yet is totally inferior to systems like Frances.
                              depends on what metric you're using

                              most of the articles that compare healthcare systems place a heavy weight on the degree to which healthcare is socialized.

                              I make enough to pay for coverage so I don't give a shit about that.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by AMonkey View Post
                                I'm sure this is really going to help health issues, when people will just buy two smaller units of soda, instead of large one.
                                They could but probably won't. It will cost more, so it's a stealth tax. Plus people have a zombie-like propensity to go with a default choice.

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