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  • Phillykid
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    Really confused about calorie intake

    Hey guys, I'm fairly new to PB. It's been a couple days so far and I'm liking it a lot since I can enjoy better food. However, I'm really confused about calorie intake. In my other threads, I was told that I wasn't taking in enough calories. Here's a sample of what I eat and current weight/height.

    Height: 5"6
    Age: 24
    Weight: 135
    Body fat: roughly 20%
    Main goal: Not lose weight, just shed body fat at a fast pace, but healthy

    Breakfast: 6 large eggs (2 yolks) cooked with garlic
    Lunch: Big salad, 6 cherry tomatoes, broccoli, peppers, bacon bits (good amount, i love bacon), turkey bits, and 2 tblespoon olive oil.
    Snack: 25 almonds
    Dinner: Chicken breast with 1 cup spinach and 1 tbspn olive oil.

    I understand PB is a lifestyle and that I should focus on long-term, but honestly, I still want to lose body fat with fast results. I feel more energized and satisfied after I eat, but should I be eating more even though I want to lose fat at a faster pace? I do moderate body weight exercises 3x a week to build muscle as well.

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    Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Taking diet and fitness advice from Men's Health is like taking personal grooming advice from National Geographic. It really isn't advisable.
    Very true. Hehehe...
    Originally posted by Phillykid View Post
    I'm glad I found this website/forums. I have been eating a lot more. I feel a lot better and never binge eat and if I do crave something, i just eat it with no guilt.
    Yay! Good to hear. Welcome to the Primal tribe.

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  • Phillykid
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    I'm glad I found this website/forums. I have been eating a lot more. I feel a lot better and never binge eat and if I do crave something, i just eat it with no guilt.

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  • Gorbag
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    Originally posted by Phillykid View Post
    I was used to following meal plans from reading men's health and they always said multiply weight x 10 and that was how many calories i had to eat. Pretty sure i'm not the only one which is why i made this thread to learn more about PB
    That's a standard set-up for weightloss yes, some start out a bit higher from 12 kcal X pound of bodyweight, but it is only a startingpoint and must be adjusted when stalls kicks in...

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  • RichMahogany
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    Originally posted by Phillykid View Post
    I was used to following meal plans from reading men's health and they always said multiply weight x 10 and that was how many calories i had to eat. Pretty sure i'm not the only one which is why i made this thread to learn more about PB
    Taking diet and fitness advice from Men's Health is like taking personal grooming advice from National Geographic. It really isn't advisable.

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  • RobinNM
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    Originally posted by Phillykid View Post
    I was used to following meal plans from reading men's health and they always said multiply weight x 10 and that was how many calories i had to eat. Pretty sure i'm not the only one which is why i made this thread to learn more about PB
    You have to keep in mind, though, that most of those "health" magazines are focused on conventional wisdom and the normal "diet" rules. A lot of these are the same ones that say that the Primal or Paleo "diet" (they say diet, we say way of life) is not good for you.

    Experiment a lot with what works FOR YOU. If you don't want to lose actual pounds, just get leaner, you don't want to cut calories. I've found that Neckhammer and Drumroll generally give very good info and what they have to say makes sense for me. I'm not a young man trying to lean out, rather a middle aged woman trying to lose weight, but it all still applies.

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  • Phillykid
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    I was used to following meal plans from reading men's health and they always said multiply weight x 10 and that was how many calories i had to eat. Pretty sure i'm not the only one which is why i made this thread to learn more about PB

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  • RichMahogany
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    Originally posted by sbhikes View Post

    1. I thought you were a girl when I read this. You eat like a girl on a diet.
    Boom.

    Originally posted by sbhikes
    2. Your food contains too much "diet food" and not enough real food. Eat the whole egg. Don't buy egg whites in a carton. Eat bacon, not bacon bits. Eat actual turkey that you roasted in the oven, not turkey bits. Eat some beef and salmon, not just chicken breast. And for crying out loud, you actually count your cherry tomatoes? Stop doing that.
    Seriously. I've cut down to 130 to fight MMA at your same height and I was eating actual food in much larger quantities than you're talking about.

    Originally posted by sbhikes
    3. You are a 135lb man who is 5'6" tall. You are way too small for a grown man. You need to build a manly body. You should get some manly exercise. Either do the Primal Blueprint fitness program or go lift some weights. Eat WAY more food so you can grow. Put on some weight as muscle. Whatever fat you have now can be ignored because it probably isn't very much. It's just that you have so little muscle to balance it out.

    Good luck.
    You have become a wise lady. I hope the OP gets the message.

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  • Drumroll
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    Calories are important. Eat to lose. I tend to think 90% of weightloss is diet and the remaining 10% is activity level and exercise.

    But you don't have to obsess about it at all. You kind of get into a "grove" that just feels right and that is all you need to be at a proper caloric intake. Your body is sort of able to self-regulate itself that way. Cool, no?

    You might want to eat closer to the upper end of that scale (2,100 calories) on heavy workout days though. But beyond that, just eat until you are full.

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  • Phillykid
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    Yea i did lose some weight and i noticed i had more energy. I'm usually drained before work is about to end, now i'm not as tired. I think it has mostly to do with eating a lot more. I have to admit though, the first few days i counted calories, but after reading threads and asking questions, people we're shocked when they saw my first sample eating plan that totaled 1300 calories, now i'm aiming for 1900-2100. I still do think calories matter in a way, but i'm not stressing/counting every meal anymore

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  • Drumroll
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    Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
    This is a brilliant thread. Really enjoying the debate



    That's actually a really good point. I became totally carb-phobic when I got into this diet, but the reality is that any diet works if you adhere to it. The difficulty is in keeping off the weight once you lose it and return to your regular eating habits, and maybe that's where Primal (not specifically low carb) has an advantage, cos people view it as a lifestyle, and an education.
    The water weight is just the INITIAL weightloss. You do lose REAL, honest-to-God body fat on a lower carb diet if you stick to it long enough. This is not to say that this kind of diet is for everyone but it's not simply a woosh of water weight. That's what happens at the beginning (even Mark admits as much), but then again, you won't lose any kind of fat on any diet if you aren't able to stick to it.

    Sticking to the plan has significantly lowered my body fat and I've seen it do the same for a good number of other people as well. The point is, no diet gives instantaneous weightloss. If that's what you want, then too bad, it's not happening. Low carb works, but not overnight. Although I don't see what's wrong with shedding a few pounds of unnecessary water from your body anyway.

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  • sbhikes
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    Originally posted by Phillykid View Post
    Okay so I have a question for everyone who stuck to the primal lifestyle, focusing mainly on diet because exercise is always important. Has eating primal changed the way you guys look and feel? I started primal mainly for fat loss, but after reading a lot of success stories, not only did people lose body fat, they felt healthier and better than before. I have noticed that i'm rarely hungry and from these threads, i found out that i've been eating so little for so long because of the calories/calories out rule. I used to keep my calories at 1500, now i'm learning to just not en count calories, but just eat until satisfied and not overstuffed
    It's helped a lot of people feel better for many reasons including:
    - Unknown gluten intolerances or other food intolerances fixed
    - More nutritious food
    - Eating foods that no longer trigger GERD, IBS, asthma, high blood pressure, etc.
    - Getting chronic diseases under control including Type II diabetes, epilepsy, MS, etc.
    - No longer needing to count calories
    - Relief of binge eating problems
    - Relief of depression

    I could go on.

    My personal issue was that after I hiked the Pacific Crest I could not get my hunger under control. I was gaining weight even before I finished the 2600 mile trail. After the hike I was gaining weight visibly in the mirror every day. I wanted to exercise but any exercise triggered massive hunger. I tried to just eat less but I gained weight anyway. I heard eating more fat and a low carbohydrate diet could fix me. It did. I was able to get my appetite under control enough to lose some weight. Meanwhile, I felt like my mood and sense of well-being and happiness improved. My blood pressure is lower. Chronic pain from the hiking is all better. I feel a lot better, more better than just what you might feel with a little weight loss.

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  • paleo-bunny
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    Originally posted by Phillykid View Post
    Okay so I have a question for everyone who stuck to the primal lifestyle, focusing mainly on diet because exercise is always important. Has eating primal changed the way you guys look and feel? I started primal mainly for fat loss, but after reading a lot of success stories, not only did people lose body fat, they felt healthier and better than before. I have noticed that i'm rarely hungry and from these threads, i found out that i've been eating so little for so long because of the calories/calories out rule. I used to keep my calories at 1500, now i'm learning to just not en count calories, but just eat until satisfied and not overstuffed
    I don't count calories but estimate that I am eating more than when I embarked on my weight loss and health gain program. I am averaging around 2500 cals a day.

    I lost fat and built muscle while consuming a lot more calories from fat than from carbs. Now that I only have around 10 lbs or so of fat to lose I am finding it more beneficial to cut fat in favour of primal starch. That is also helping me gain a lot of muscle strength very quickly. Not sure where my final macros will lie - but probably balanced and certainly not eating excessive amounts of protein to support gluconeogenesis which would bring no obvious benefit, and just put unnecessary strain on my liver and bank balance. No ta to that!

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  • zoebird
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    Yes, it definitely has changed a lot about how we feel.

    We spend a lot less time thinking and/or obsessing about food. That's very nice. It's made our kitchen-life simpler as we just have and need the basics in terms of supplies (we don't do fancy stuff in the kitchen to be honest).

    And then, overall, we feel happier and look good and have lots of energy. The only time I don't is when I' stressed and unmotivated (like, my ILs arrive in two days and I'm not happy about it). But, that has nothing to do with teh food.

    It's also easy to maintain. Honestly, if you just eat the healthy foods, the body does it's thing. It's nice.

    And, I have been able to basically overcome emotional eating, which is great.

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  • Phillykid
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    Okay so I have a question for everyone who stuck to the primal lifestyle, focusing mainly on diet because exercise is always important. Has eating primal changed the way you guys look and feel? I started primal mainly for fat loss, but after reading a lot of success stories, not only did people lose body fat, they felt healthier and better than before. I have noticed that i'm rarely hungry and from these threads, i found out that i've been eating so little for so long because of the calories/calories out rule. I used to keep my calories at 1500, now i'm learning to just not en count calories, but just eat until satisfied and not overstuffed
    Last edited by Phillykid; 12-23-2012, 01:46 PM.

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