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  • #16
    You do know that 'What's your 20?' means 'where are you?', kind of confusing at first. Regarding primal life, 80/20 to me means don't sweat the little lapses that have to come with living in a non-primal world. I just do the best I can. I don't see the 20 as a license to eat non-primally nor do i want to. But I don't stress over it either. Life is too short.



    • #17
      I'm 100/0 on grains and seed oils, because I've read so much about them at this point, they kind of wig me out. I try really hard on everything else, but don't always succeed -- and when I don't, I don't guilt about it.


      • #18
        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
        I'm about 98/2. The 2 is for stuff out of my control that is not worth stressing about like the canola oil in the salad dressing at a friend's dinner party, never for deliberate "cheats".

        Does that make me a fanatic? I don't think so because I enjoy this way of eating and don't feel deprived one bit.
        Ditto that.
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        • #19

          Fanatic if you count dairy. I eat copious amounts of dairy in the form of homemade yogurt, custard and whipped cream. Do not touch grains, legumes or added sugars.


          • #20
            I picked other. About once a month I'll have fries at a restaurant or a cheesecake with graham crust. That's about it. Does that make me a fanatic?


            • #21
              My 20 is the stuff that makes more primal food edible, like peanut butter, pickles, cheese, cream, caesar salad dressing, or stuff that's occasional, like not having to pick every single crouton out of a salad. I never intentionally cheat, but I do make mistakes and stuff creeps in there, especially eating out.


              • #22
                diet soda. i don't want to fucking hear about it, fuck off. otherwise clean.


                • #23
                  I really feel that 80/20 wouldn't work for me... like one meal in five not primal wouldn't cut it. It's not so much that I have to be all or nothing... it's just that when I start making exceptions frequently, they become the norm. To me it's easier to quit sugar and grain than think about having it sort of once every couple of days.

                  That being said, I will probably end up having a non-primal meal tomorrow night as it's my son's birthday and his food choice (last I heard he wanted Pizza Hut ) That's sort of a special occasion though, and something to just do... get over and move past.

                  I actually find primal eating quite easy for the most part. There are some things I guess I miss... but not the way I thought I would. I'm not perfect as I still like sweet stuff (so I have Natvia which is erythritol + stevia... not perfect but better than actual sugar or artificial sweeteners). But grains, I just gave them up. I feel if I make an exception too frequently to any of this, I'll end up going back to the way I was before.

                  The way I see it, no more than once every couple of weeks is best for me. That allows me to occasionally have something not 100% primal when eating out, or visiting a friend or something. If I'm somewhere where I can make a good primal choice, great! But somewhere like Pizza Hut just doesn't HAVE primal choices (unless I just eat some iceberg lettuce from the salad bar...nom nom...) and I ain't paying "all you can eat" to chow down on a few soggy lettuce leaves!

                  So I focus on eating 100% primal at home (or when I can) and on the rare occasion when I have to be somewhere, I eat primal if it's possible, but if not... no biggie. If I had to eat out a lot this would be a problem but it's quite infrequent!


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by jakey View Post
                    diet soda. i don't want to fucking hear about it, fuck off. otherwise clean.
                    Here ya go... this makes it all better.
                    “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                    ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                    And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.


                    • #25
                      my 20% comes in the form of conventional meats, occasional dairy, etc.

                      i don't see birthday cake as part of that 20%; i see it as something else. call it a cheat if you want, but i consider them conscious choices usually made for a good reason. i see the 20% as striving to eat primal all the time, but not quite being able to do it. i can find/afford grass fed or pastured or organic foods all that often, so i go conventional. that's my 20.


                      • #26
                        Originally posted by peril View Post
                        The question betrays a profound misunderstanding of Mark's 80/20 principle. Reread the book
                        Originally posted by katemary View Post
                        I think Peril's point is that the 80/20 is not about how closely you adhere to the diet or the % of your diet comprised by cheats. The 20% applies to all the laws of primal - sleep, move slow, play, lift heavy things. Primal isn't about following 80% of an eating plan. (Not saying I am 100%, I just think that is his point).
                        Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                        Right, and I put that option in the poll.
                        What do you mean re-read the book?


                        • #27
                          It means I wasn't clear in my opening post. I wanted to know what responders thought of 80/20, not what Mark thought. That is available, but a poll was a way I could see what others thought of the 20.

                          I was thinking responses would be along the lines of, "I eat quinoa," or "I can't sleep 8 hours per day," or "I'm still too tense to make time for play." Like that.
                          "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine


                          Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.


                          • #28
                            Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                            Here ya go... this makes it all better.
                            gimme that shit, now!! and some disease of civilization - it's worth it, i've just stopped caring.


                            • #29
                              I reject the 20, but I don't sweat it or beat myself up emotionally when I eat or drink something I shouldn't have.

                              I've been doing this so long that my body kicks me in the butt when something slips in. About 22 months in, and I am still learning!
                              "If man made it, don't eat it." ..Jack LaLanne
                              "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are.
                              If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." ..Richard Feynman

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                              • #30
                                I take the 80:20 rule as being a very clever pragmatic rule of thumb, which acknowledges that we're all only human. And many folk don't need to be strict.

                                I eat a lot of sheeps' and goats' dairy, and white rice, so strictly speaking I fail on the 80:20 rule. On the other hand I've not touched a wholegrain in over a year, and I rarely eat sugar. I just do what works for me.

                                I had some diet soda (tonic water) with gin earlier this evening without worrying about it.

                                I do a lot of cardio but it's not chronic (i.e. < 75% max heart rate). I have the lung capacity of someone 17 years younger, which indicates that I'm doing something right.

                                I sometimes stay up late and consequently don't get enough sleep when I have to get up early the following morning.

                                I cannot lift very heavy things due to joint hypermobility.

                                I agree with comments above that there's too much focus on nutrition on this site. However, I can understand why this happens, as following the two primal laws to do with nutrition is not as straightforward as it seems, compared with the other eight laws. Not saying it's always so simple for those either.
                                F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.