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  • #61
    Originally posted by Lynna View Post
    140 is plump for me. I'm 5'5", but small framed - I have a wrist circumference of 6 1/4 inches. Even 125 does not look good on me. It isn't just about what we weigh, it's at what weight we feel most comfortable. The highest I've weighed was 138 and it was a chore to bend over. Right now I'm around 126 and I still have that spare tire around my middle, but it's slowly disappearing. Until I hit menopause, I never weighed more than 110.
    Are you supposed to measure around the skinniest part of your wrist, or around the part where your bone bumps out? Because mine is a hair under 5 1/2 inches at the skinniest part and I am 5'9"! Do I have abnormally small bones or something?!

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    • #62
      Personally, I don't know how anyone can claim to accept themselves in a state that renders them non-functional.

      In my mind, it's not a question of attractiveness... I see many women larger than myself every day, that I think are objectively more attractive than I am. However, the fat acceptance movement seems to be more about embracing actual obesity than simply just body types outside the mainstream.

      I have a really hard time believing it's truly about respecting ones self at any size, when the trajectory is heading toward limited mobility and limited functionality.

      They need to realize too that obesity (actual obesity, not just being curvy or pleasantly plump) is simply just not attractive to the vast majority of people, and no amount of accpetance movements and enlightenment and awareness raising is going to change that. It will likely be counter-productive.

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      • #63
        Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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        • #64
          I vote we round up all of the people of Wal-mart and send them to Canada, where their feelings won't be hurt, and their medical expenses will be shared more fully by the collective.

          A few years of this, and Canadians will be cured of their pathological altruism, so everybody is a winner.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by SentWest View Post
            Personally, I don't know how anyone can claim to accept themselves in a state that renders them non-functional.

            They need to realize too that obesity (actual obesity, not just being curvy or pleasantly plump) is simply just not attractive to the vast majority of people, and no amount of accpetance movements and enlightenment and awareness raising is going to change that. It will likely be counter-productive.
            So if I were to lose a limb while deployed or perhaps be paralyzed in a car accident I should not claim to accept myself because I am rendered non-functional or less-than-functional? Also, while I was in the Army I was obese based on BMI despite running 7miles a day, and doing 65+ on push ups and sit ups on my PT test. Hell, I had a higher PT score than many persons who were not obese or even overweight. There is more to functional or non-functional than weight/body fat percentage.

            Also, wtf do I care what that vast majority of people find attractive? I do not base my self-worth on what others think of me, especially given how infrequently the vast majority actually thinks.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by KimInGA View Post
              Are you supposed to measure around the skinniest part of your wrist, or around the part where your bone bumps out? Because mine is a hair under 5 1/2 inches at the skinniest part and I am 5'9"! Do I have abnormally small bones or something?!
              I measure about where I would wear a bracelet, which is above the knobby bone on the wrist.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Blackcatbone View Post
                This is the picture you're referring to, and the Dove women are hardly "fat". Chubby, sure, but I think you have a warped idea about what fat actually is. That said, I don't think criticizing women who are skinny is right either, although I have no issue with questioning the media's very narrow definition of beauty.

                The middle Victoria's Secret Model has anorexically thin legs.

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                • #68
                  They need to realize too that obesity (actual obesity, not just being curvy or pleasantly plump) is simply just not attractive to the vast majority of people, and no amount of accpetance movements and enlightenment and awareness raising is going to change that. It will likely be counter-productive.
                  Yeah... but here is the thing. I used to be 300lbs. People were quite unkind and I KNOW I lost out on jobs because of it. I know I was treated differently by professors in design school than the petite girls. It went beyond just being laughed at and not getting laid. Basically people treat you like less of a human.

                  No one deserves to be treated the way I was in college. It was degrading. I'm the same person now, just a lot smaller and amazed at how much nicer people are to me, and yeah, I have now been hit on by guys at a college bar. When I was 21 they would have made a comment about spying a land whale or perhaps some moos.

                  So what happens when people treat you like ass? You retreat and hide. You sure as hell aren't real motivated to go for a jog. You hide on a couch and eat junk food. If you get super lucky, you stumble on a diet that works. If not, it just kind of landslides. It's easy to get fat in America.

                  I'm not sure "fat acceptance" is the best plan- they need an arm that deals with getting healthy. But giving fat people some dignity would be helpful. I mean, shit maybe just not making a comment or glaring at their food would be nice. Or maybe step it up and tell your friend to STF up when he moos at the the fat chick is a start. Because exactly NO ONE ever told me "hey fat ass, you'll get diabetes".... they just stopped with the insult and left off the advice/concern.

                  It's actually a lot like being a circus freak being an obese 14 to say, 30 year old woman. Except you don't get paid.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                    There is more to functional or non-functional than weight/body fat percentage.
                    This is true. But it's also unconvincing to me for people to be carrying around an extra person or two worth of adipose tissue, and claiming to be fully functional. It's just not the case.

                    Losing a limb =/= being obese.

                    Also, wtf do I care what that vast majority of people find attractive? I do not base my self-worth on what others think of me, especially given how infrequently the vast majority actually thinks.
                    I don't know, what DO you care? You're not the one lobbying for fat acceptance. I just think that part of their goal is going to consistently fail, as you can't reason someone into thinking something is attractive or not.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by SentWest View Post
                      This is true. But it's also unconvincing to me for people to be carrying around an extra person or two worth of adipose tissue, and claiming to be fully functional. It's just not the case.

                      Losing a limb =/= being obese.



                      I don't know, what DO you care? You're not the one lobbying for fat acceptance. I just think that part of their goal is going to consistently fail, as you can't reason someone into thinking something is attractive or not.
                      True losing a limb =/= obese but loss of function is loss of function. However, you said
                      Originally posted by SentWest View Post
                      Personally, I don't know how anyone can claim to accept themselves in a state that renders them non-functional.
                      Perhaps you meant voluntarily non-functional if one assumes obesity is self-inflicted and renders one non-functional. Yet, as written it would pertain to those who had lost a limb.

                      It is true that I am not lobbying for fat acceptance. I am lobbying for personal acceptance. I loved myself at 180. I loved myself at 300. I would love myself at 120 though at that point I would have no legs as that is the only way I could weigh 120. The point is I do not base my own self-worth on my body weight. I do not judge others on their's either.


                      I agree that there are some people who seem to purposely fail. Perhaps it is for sympathy, perhaps it is for self-loathing, perhaps they just do not know any better. I do not think this is limited to fat people. Also, if they are accepting themselves as fat, what have they failed?

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                      • #71
                        I just think that part of their goal is going to consistently fail, as you can't reason someone into thinking something is attractive or not.
                        I don't think their goal is to make people find fat to be hot. Hell, I don't find fat guys attractive. But I don't go moo when they walk by. It's about being respectful. I mean, we don't make movies about guys that fall in love with the ugly anorexic chick that he thinks looks like Heidi Klum. We don't joke about what heroin junkies look like, nor do we make fun of meth addicts.

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                        • #72
                          For some reason, there is a certain kind of person that needs to put others down for something they do better than that/those person/people. I was one of those little smarty pants in school, and I remember my mother teaching me not to brag about my grades because the kids that didn't do as well might feel bad. Perhaps what's really missing is good old parenting lessons about civility. If I would have made fun of a fat or ugly person when I was a kid, I'd have been punished.

                          If you're whole within yourself, you don't need to put others down for their weaknesses.

                          As to the whole medical thing, as soon as my premiums don't include breeders, their kids, and young men who drive their vehicles too fast and often too drunk, you can keep your premiums from covering me because I'm old and have at times in my life been fat.
                          "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                          Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                          • #73
                            I would take a girl from the Dove Ad any day over a VS girl.

                            In the words of one my older coworkers when I was 16 years old (and I still remember 15 years later) : "Man what you messing with those skinny girls fo? you might as well go grab and F* a broom"

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                            Lost 105 pounds in 5 months
                            Currently 130 fat pounds down which is 120 pounds on the scale while putting on 10 pounds of muscle
                            According to my kids I am looking more and more like the Hulk every day
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                              We don't joke about what heroin junkies look like, nor do we make fun of meth addicts.
                              I don't know that "make fun of" is the right word, but I think they sure as hell get stared/gawked at. My aunt who smokes was visiting us one time and while we were walking around downtown (she was having a cigarette while walking), some random kid on the street told her that smoking was bad for her. So it's not like fat people are the only ones who get judged by society.

                              Originally posted by SentWest
                              However, the fat acceptance movement seems to be more about embracing actual obesity than simply just body types outside the mainstream ... They need to realize too that obesity (actual obesity, not just being curvy or pleasantly plump) is simply just not attractive to the vast majority of people, and no amount of acceptance movements and enlightenment and awareness raising is going to change that.
                              Exactly. There's a difference between acknowledging that not everyone is wired to be a size 0 and saying that being size 16 is totally fine and normal and healthy.
                              I don't find fat people attractive. At all. So I don't date/have sex with them. It's the individual's right to be unhealthy and not conscious of what they put into their body if they want to. But it's also my right not to associate with them if I don't want to.
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                              • #75
                                In life I have found the best you can do is lead by example and realize some people just really don’t care about what you might be passionate about.

                                I think a lot of the fat acceptance you see lately stems from the fact that the average weight in the U.S. continues to rise.

                                Humans single out someone who is different from them, I would be curious to see if in 50 years (assuming the same trend holds) that you will see groups of what was once chubby kids (who now are the social norm) making fun and teasing the "thin" kids.

                                Just a thought.
                                Went Primal January 24, 2011
                                Lost 105 pounds in 5 months
                                Currently 130 fat pounds down which is 120 pounds on the scale while putting on 10 pounds of muscle
                                According to my kids I am looking more and more like the Hulk every day
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