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  • #16
    Originally posted by Kingofturtles View Post
    Sometimes this site goes a bit over board with the "down with conventional wisdom. Lets all be hippies. Everything is a conspiracy" thing. I know people that dont use tooth paste. I know they dont cause their breath smells like dog shit.
    people with terrible breath usually have other health issues, most likely rotten teeth or gum disease. you're smelling infection, not lack of toothpaste.
    As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

    Ernest Hemingway


    • #17
      Ramiel Nagel in Cure Tooth Decay lists the following ingedients as common:

      • hydrated silica -- that's an abrasive, obviously

      • sorbitol and saccahrine -- sweeteners

      • TiO₂ -- as used in white paints (said to be a carcinogen)

      • glycerin -- helps to prevent the toothpaste drying out but takes 27 rinses to get off your teeth

      • C₁₂H₂₅NaO₄S -- foaming agent and degreaser "used for cleaning garage floors" is "correlated with canker sores"

      Now obviously you're spitting the stuff out, one hopes, and just how much of a problem any one of these might be is debatable. Still and all ...

      Comments about hippies is just silly. Countless numbers of people across hundreds of thousands of years have not used toothpaste. Most of these were people who were firmly anchored in their societies, who wouldn't even have understood the notion of a counter culture or radical individualism or dropping out. In fact, I guess the second phase in the basic movement of the dialectic -- to use Hegelian terms -- from immediate immersion to self-consciousness and estrangement probably didn't really happen with them. (It's a common emotional pattern to us because it's effectively much of what's exalted in the writings of the Romantic Movement.) They weren't in adolescent rebellion against their Dad; they wanted to be like him. They were eager to get their rites of passage and become full members of society -- even if it meant tooth evulsion or penile subinsicion. And if you'd asked these people why they did any particular thing, their ultimate answer would probably be "it's what the ancestors did". So not everyone who hasn't brushed his teeth with toothpaste has been anything like a "hippy".

      As for us -- well, why shouldn't we make judgments about what we use? Maybe rubbing silica against my teeth isn't a particularly good idea even if someone somewhere has thought some day that it would be a grand wheeze to get my teeth whiter, or whatever, so that I keep buying the product. Maybe that person was wrong. People make mistakes.

      Personally, I use the toothpastes from the German company Weleda, which don't have anything offensive in them. But maybe plain water would be just fine. It's something to research and think about and experiment with.


      • #18
        I rinse out my mouth with swishing water around after eating pretty consistently. For the last 10 or so years, I've used this formula of essential oils, OraMD, instead of toothpaste. I used to have bleeding gums, which is an early sign for periodontal disease. I've referred a number of my friends to this product, some of whom averting dental surgery after switching from toothpaste to this & my gums stopped bleeding after a short while using OraMD. Formulated by a scientist & clinically proven to reverse periodontal disease in 90 days of use, , To order Gum Disease and Periodontal Disease: Causes, Symptoms, and Solution

        In India many many years ago, instead of toothpaste, like a local, I used a metal tongue scraper & a tooth powder, made from neem & other local herbs. It was a red bitter powder & weird tasting. To this day, still I floss & scrape my tongue too.

        I don't generally promote products to others, except to friends, family or clients, but I thought what the hey, if it helps someone on MDA & with a disclosure that I make a small commission, couple bucks per bottle, it's just a lil money off my own next order, no harm . Btw, the super strength is too strong for me - I just didn't enjoy using it & the normal strength OraMD works just great all these years.
        Last edited by Betorq; 07-04-2012, 01:23 PM.
        "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
        "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
        "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown


        • #19
          When I was in dental hygiene school, we were told that brushing your teeth with water was just as effective as brushing with toothpaste. Toothpaste is more to make you feel clean. Some of the chemicals in toothpaste is there simply to make it bubble, which has absolutely no effect on its cleaning ability.


          • #20
            End Bad Breath & Prevent/Cure Gum disease

            Simply mix 20 drops of 5% Lugols Iodine (available at Amazon.Com) & water into a 3 ounce misting bottle. Spray into your mouth several times a day.

            Americans are suffering from a national epidemic of Iodine Deficiency.
            Iodine Deficiency - An Under-Recognized Epidemic

            The result is that mucous & saliva are severely iodine deficient and unable to kill virus, germs. Iodine is our own built in natural antiseptic.
            Iodine Dosages and Treatments – IMVA Antibiotics

            Complete research, Dr Articles & how to become iodine sufficient:

            Last edited by Grizz; 07-08-2012, 09:43 AM.


            • #21
              Very cool info Grizz, Thanks!
              "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
              "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
              "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown


              • #22
                Originally posted by Betorq View Post
                Very cool info Grizz, Thanks!
                Iodine with required supplements is a MIRACLE mineral. It cured my Prostate BPH, and has a 150 year proven track record at curing Womens diseases such as Fibrocystic Breasts, PCOS, Endo, Cysts, & fibroids. Also cures most cases of hyperthyroid + hypothyroid.

                Read this latest testimonial:
                I know I am chiming in on this post super late but I just want to thank everyone who has shared information here. Grizz, If I ever meet you in person I'm going to kiss you on the lips!

                After reading everything and thinking about it I decided to give iodine a try. I have had fiber cystic breasts since I was about 11 years old and I can't even tell you how uncomfortable exercising, hugging and even bras have been my whole life. I too have had 4 different doctors tell me to cut off my breasts. (and I have even thought about it) Also they told me to get a hysterectomy as soon as I was done having children to deal with the uterine fibroids.

                I have been taking iodine with the support supplements for just over a month. I dove right in and started with 1 drop. (now up to 4 drops) The pain in my breasts went away within 24 hours!!!! I literally did a little dance in the shower when I realized it. I still have some lumps but the smaller ones are gone. I also am getting a lot of relief from the fibroid pain.

                Other things I have observed is my appetite is almost completely gone, my hands don't break out from the chemicals anymore, my fingernails are hard and growing for the first time in my life, I haven't even had one migraine since starting and I am happy and have so much energy. I have suffered from depression for so long that it is amazing to feel normal again.

                So, again, thank you thank you!!

                Thank you both! To me this is nothing short of a real miracle. Grizz, I have read everything in your file at least 5 times, I have sent it on to my mom and sister and I tell everyone in the salon who will listen. Thank you for putting it together. The information is life changing for me.

                I know 11 is young... and I could have been spared 25 years of pain. I don't know if this is a common thing for girls with FB but I was that freak of nature kid who was as tall as the teacher at 9 and had a full-grown woman's body at 12. My breasts always hurt and always felt like bean bags. (and got worse over the years) I remember complaining about it when I was young and being told that it was normal for developing girls. People just thought I was complaining because I wasn't yet mature enough for the body I had. I didn't know it was FB untill I was 19 or 20 when I went in to get birth control for the first time. So I learned it was not normal but there was nothing anyone could do.

                I never got as far as price with the doctors so I don't know what that would cost but I was told that they could do some nice reconstructive implants at the same time. (I'm sure that doubles the price) When I chose not to do it my last doctor wanted to get me on antidepressants to "help" me deal with it. I am sure doctors just don't know about iodine. I really feel that western medicine is great at cutting stitching and fixing broken bones. They fail when it comes to restoring health to people with chronic problems. They just want to cut it out or give you a pill to mask the symptoms. No one, it seems, asks the question of what is causing the problem. That is why I am so grateful for the information you have put out there.

                I have two small victories to share. First, I went out yesterday to do a short run. About half way in there is a hill thats really steep that I use for my sprints. (maybe 150 yards long) I always run up but never down because of my chest and my uterus. Yesterday I flew down it with no pain at all and I was laughing so hard when I got to the bottom because I was so happy. Second, I woke up this morning and realized that I had slept on my stomach! Both of these are small things... to me, they represent the impossible.
                Many more testimonials here:



                • #23
                  Brush and floss has a lot to do with the presence of caries (cavities). Oral rinses are full of sugar so we don't recommend (my husband is a dental surgeon). Staying away from juices and pop is half the battle. Unfortunately our fast food lives has led to increased caries.
                  F, 48, 5'10"
                  Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
                  Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

                  Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.


                  • #24
                    I've noticed that since giving up processed carbs, my tongue doesn't have a white fur on it and my teeth aren't coated in sticky stuff. I've been using Weleda salt toothpaste and a soft toothbrush but I'm just triying a black seed (nigella seed) and mineral toothpaste I got from a Muslim shop in London plus mishwak twigs. I have been using a no alcohol mouthwash called Corsodyl Daily or dilute TCP but as I remove more and more chemicals from my life I'm thinking of rinsing with sea salt in water.


                    • #25
                      I have not used a toothbrush, because, hell, I do not know when. 56 still have their own teeth, you can pry off the cap of the bottle when I go to the dentist last year, a penniless tooth, X-ray shows that I am then who is not a problem, no cavities, contrast and so on. Always brushing, flossing, rinsing, and her teeth down her mouth.


                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Crabbcakes View Post
                        Hey Wilton!

                        Would you post your routine, please?

                        I got the junk out of my toothpaste years ago, but didn't have the Primal (ate SAD), so off to the dentist I went - a lot. All this talk of minimalist care has me intrigued. I have a clean mouthwash, but it is more for fun - never was a regular user. The thing I am in love with the most is my stainless steel tongue scraper.
                        Originally posted by zizou View Post
                        I'm getting sick of the taste left in my mouth from toothpaste and the dryness. What have you been using since you stopped with toothpaste?
                        One key thing for me was taking good probiotic pills for about 3 weeks or so. My gut bacteria was diversified and healthier, and then it was able to absorb the vitamins more efficiently. This was back in April. Combined with consistent brushing, I noticed a definite difference back then.

                        Still today, I am noticing my teeth are whiter and whiter. Why? I'm really not doing anything special. I exercise a lot, I eat a lot, I sleep a lot. I think all seeds, nuts, grains, refined sugars, and most processed foods (emulsifiers like soy lechitin, etc) are bad for your teeth. They stick. If you happen to eat these (which I do rarely), be sure to brush within a few hours. Other than that, I just floss most days and brush with water most days. I view flossing as slightly more critical. If I am seeing a girlfriend or something, I'll definitely clean it all up. That's about it.

                        I think the factors are good nutrition, good gut bacteria, no foods which stick to teeth, no excess tooth brushing.

                        I might give baking soda a try with brushing, but if it's not broken, don't fix it.

                        PS- This is just my story. I've basically had good teeth all of my life. I've had only one cavity I think, and that was back when I ate sugary candy and crap as a mid-teenager. I've had 3 teeth knocked out, so I can compare color with my fakes to my real ones.

                        PS #2- Fresh picked plums make for a really nice mouth freshener. Especially when shared...
                        Last edited by wiltondeportes; 07-30-2012, 05:49 PM.


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                          I never thought about this before, but of course smell would be different from taste.

                          ^Makes me think about the uselessness of toothpaste. My teeth have been healthier and whiter since I stopped using toothpaste. Ironically, it was my 91 year old grandma who first showed me that toothpaste isn't necessary.

                          Metallic Taste in Mouth Causes and Bitter Taste in Mouth by Dr Katz
                          I won't say that toothpaste is expendable, though it is useless unless you add a little amount of baking soda to it. Also, using tongue cleaners and flossing your teeth should be done regularly, along with brushing!

                          EDIT: I just found this article through Google. I hope you find it helpful:

                          Top 3 Remedies For Bad Breath - Get Rid of Bad Breath Forever!

                          Bad breath, formally known as Halitosis, affects a lot of people. While basically, it stems from a poor oral hygiene, sometimes it can also be caused by liver ailments, kidney troubles, acid reflux, sinusitis, gastro-intestinal problems, strep throat, or dental issues such as tooth decay, gum diseases, oral cancer, infected root canals, or a dry mouth! In this article I will tell you how to get rid of bad breath once and for all!

                          Your Diet is Everything: You know what they say: you are what you eat. This is as much true about the health of your internal organs as that of your teeth! If you eat crappy foods all the time, would it be any surprise if your breath too is always crappy? Hell, no! To be frank, you should be eating fruits and vegetables that keep you healthy by improving your digestion and keeping foul breath away from your mouth. Fruits rich in Vitamin C are great for fighting bad breath because of their acidic elements that kill the odor-causing bacteria developing in your mouth! Similarly, vegetables such as celeries and carrots are also well-known natural remedies for bad breath!

                          There are certain types of foods which you should try to avoid, if you want to maintain a fresh breath at all times, that is! One such food is meat. Meat has a tendency to get stuck in-between the spaces of your teeth and make your breath go foul; similarly, if you eat fish, its strong and stinky odor can affect your breath pretty badly; to be fair though, not everyone is in a portion to avoid these foods, in which case, they should brush and floss their teeth immediately after having any such food!

                          Same goes for milk and dairy products. Milk has a tendency to leave a whitish residue at the back of your tongue, which in turn results in offensive breath. In fact, if you scrape the back and front parts of your tongue with a spoon and then smell that whitish material, you would realize how foul it is! Imagine this whitish substance staying in your mouth for days, months and years! If consuming milk products is a must for you, please brush your teeth and clean your tongue with a tongue cleaner immediately after eating them; if possible, use a mouthwash to rinse your mouth as well!

                          Cheese is not always good for your breath. If you eat newly made cheese, it can certainly help make your breath fresh. Old and stinky cheese, on the other hand, can cause bad breath troubles!

                          Onion and garlic are known for their strong door; if you eat them boiled, they won't affect your breath much, but consuming them in raw form can indeed result in a malodorous breath! If you don't believe me, just ask someone in your household - preferably someone you trust to speak honestly and openly - to smell your breath a couple of hours after you have a meal containing raw onions and/or garlic; see what they say!

                          As a blanket rule, you should make sure that your mouth never goes dry, except of course when you sleep at night; when you sleep, the flow of saliva in your mouth is reduced to a considerable extent, resulting in a dry mouth and foul breath on the next morning; honestly, there is not much you can do about it really, except brushing your teeth as soon as you wake up! But that apart, you should keep your body hydrated all the time by drinking plenty of water throughout the day, starting with a glass of water early in the morning.

                          In addition, you should avoid, or at least reduce the consumption of, foods that make your body dehydrated, such as alcohol, tea, coffee, etc.

                          Post-Meal Smoking Kills: Cigarettes are bad - not just for your lungs, but also for your breath! When you eat a meal, your breath turns a bit foul anyway (depending on what you have eaten), thanks to the food particles that get stuck in between your teeth and on your tongue surface. On top of that, when you start smoking, your breath becomes worse because the chemicals that get released in your mouth during smoking makes your mouth become dry! Therefore, if possible, don't smoke cigarettes after a meal.

                          It is not just smoking that affects a person's breath negatively; chewing tobacco in any form can also result in an offensive breath!

                          How to Maintain Proper Oral Hygiene: You may not realize it, but your mouth contains a lot of odor-causing germs and microbes. Whenever you eat any kind of food, these germs also get their due from your food! If you brush your teeth regularly, then you basically take the food away from these germs by removing all the food particles stuck in your mouth. As a result, your breath becomes clean and fresh as mint! Most people brush only once in twenty-four hours; however, I would suggest that you brush your teeth at least twice a day, or even better, after each and every meal (including even light refreshments such as potato chips)!

                          However, in order to keep your mouth and breath squeaky-clean all the time, mere brushing is just not enough; you should also keep your tongue clean! If you have never cleaned your tongue before, chances are that a lot of food articles, dead skin cells, germs and microbes have been deposited on the rough surface of your tongue for years! Letting this sh*t stay and rot on your tongue can cause your breath to go foul! Use a good tongue cleaner to scrape the surface of your tongue at the time of brushing!

                          As I already pointed out in this article, bad breath is not always the result of a dirty mouth; the cause behind your offensive breath might be buried several layers deep! Who knows, you may be suffering from serious dental diseases such as tooth and gum decay! Just as you need to maintain your two-wheeler or car regularly in order to keep it running, similarly, you should make regular trips to your local dentist in order to take proper care of your teeth. In addition to pointing out the reason behind your malodorous breath, a dentist would also help clean the tartar and plaque from your mouth, thus preventing your gums and teeth from being damaged anymore!

                          Flossing your teeth is as important as brushing - more so if you are addicted to stuff such as alcohol - which makes your mouth become dry and leaves a stinky smell in your breath! If you are following any special diet then mint floss would be your best option. The great thing about mint floss is that it not only takes away the foul odor from your mouth, but also leaves a smell of fresh mint in your breath!

                          You should also keep a good quality mouthwash in your arsenal. As you might know already, foul breath is often caused by bacteria that reside in-between the spaces of your teeth, on the surface of your tongue, and generally, all around your mouth! Obviously, you can get rid of bad breath by killing this bacteria! Most decent mouthwashes contain an ingredient called cetylpyridinium chloride which is believed to be responsible for killing this kind of bacteria!

                          Usually, you would want to wash your mouth with a mouthwash at least two-three times a day - especially, after each and every meal you have! The general practice involves taking a particular amount (as suggested by your dentist) of the mouthwash in your mouth, gargling your mouth with it for about twenty to thirty seconds, and then spitting out the liquid!

                          There are both cheap and expensive mouthwash products available in the market. Obviously, most of the top brands would charge you an arm and a leg for a mouthwash, but there is no need to shell out so much money on this. A decent mouthwash should not cost a lot more than your regular toothpaste. In fact, mouthwashes can be purchased from the same shops which sell other oral health products such as toothbrushes, toothpaste, etc.

                          Most mouthwashes contain a fair amount of alcohol (believed to have strong antiseptic properties; alcohol can also be found in many aftershave lotions). I would suggest buying an alcohol-free mouthwash though, if you can! If you are not sure about which mouthwash to use, ask your dentist; also, don't forget to take advantage of any special offer/coupon code that can save you a few bucks!

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                          Last edited by chinmoya; 09-27-2012, 01:36 AM.


                          • #28
                            Always learn something new on here. I have just accepted without thought to use toothpaste.
                            My kids already think I am a paleo nut.


                            • #29
                              Is there any hippy toothpaste I can buy on amazon? i.e. without the abrasives and fluoride etc


                              • #30
                                My mouth health was getting progressively worse as I was buying the more "advanced" and stronger whitening toothpastes. I was also getting a lot of black build up between my teethe, especially in the front, that needed to be cleaned off by the dentist at least a couple times a year - shocking that expensive dental care would lead to even more dental care, I know.

                                I switched to an aloe-based organic brand that's fluoride free and my breath is much better, I no longer have a the toothpaste residue that seemed to hang around for 2 hours in my mouth, and the black buildup on my teeth went away. You can use just straight aloe from an aloe plant too (and also bottled aloe?), but I like the ease of the current gel I use.

                                It's so amazing that the problems go away when you give up trying to fix them with conventional wisdom!